Snapmaker official response to print head gouging?

Hi all -

It’s pretty clear there’s a problem with auto-leveling. There are people here and in the FB group constantly talking about ruined and gouged build plates.

I’m awaiting my 350 - but now anxiously as well as eagerly, since I’m not sure it’s going to ruin the build plate on my first print.

I’ve seen the SM team engaged on these forums, and they seem to be trying to fix it, which is great.

Has there been an official announcement from SM on the problem? I feel like we need an update, specifically with:

  • What is the root cause? Have they found out why so many users have the same problem?
  • What is the fix? (The real, permanent fix, not workarounds)
  • Will they replace the beds for people affected who had their plate ruined?
  • Will the fix be applied to new machines leaving the factory, or will we have to do some sort of update when we receive it? (I probably won’t see mine until May. :frowning:)

Have they officially posted an answer to any of these?

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Push @parachvte @Rainie

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waiting to hear as well seem as though they should warranty the ones that have issues!!! Anyone form snapmaker care to chime in any time would be great!!!

My build plate got damaged after some 15 prints without issues. The snapmaker support asked me to send the log files, but as I recalibrated the printer immediatly after the problem occured, there is no usable trace in the logs :frowning:

It seems that Snapmaker did not find the cause of the problem yet …

Fortunately they will send me a new print sheet :slight_smile:

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Hi all, sorry for the inconvenience. We have analyzed many cases about the printing module gouging issue, and we have reproduced it sometimes. There many causes like the position of proximity sensor, thickness of print sheet or the firmware. Here we offer a guide for the users to adjust the height difference between the nozzle and the proximity sensor.

First, you can update the software and the firmware via the following links:


Please do as follows to adjust the proximity sensor(for A150 as well):
It seems that you need to adjust the proximity sensor and check the platform.

Normally, when the nozzle is close to the surface of the printing, there will be a red dot in the nozzle.

Please do a calibration process, and record the process to check if the proximity sensor works during the process.

1, Please check if you have assembled the platform in right method. Here is an image for you to refer to.


2, Please adjust the height difference to about 1 mm and then tighten the screws of the probe sensor. Connect the machine with the PC via the provided USB cable in the same time.

2.1, As for the 1 mm height difference, you can use a piece of credit card as the standard.
2. 2, Power off the machine and assemble the module in place as shown in the following picture. Loosen the screws of the probe sensor and put a credit card below it. Adjust the height difference and make sure the values of it is about 1 mm, and then tighten the screw.


3, Please be noted that you need to record all the information of the software from the booting to the end of calibration process, which is greatly helpful for us to troubleshoot this issue
4, Open the software Snapmaker Luban and enter the command “M502“ → “M500“ → “G28“ in order and operate each of them. Change the value of time-out to 15s or 30s so that we can record the settings.


5, Do the calibrations process by using the touchscreen.
6, Please do not cut off the connection between the machine and the PC during the calibration process.

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Edwin
Thank you for this post. I used this process to solve my calibration issues. Can I suggest the following edit on your post;
Step 2 describes how to change the proximity sensor. Before step 3, add a step (maybe 2.3) to advise the user to put the module back into the normal mounting position (before calibrating).
Regards
Waldo

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Dear Edwin,
Not everyone is an expert.
It would help if your instructions were more clear. PLEASE think in terms of a newbee not a techie!

  1. For instance, you are saying “Power off the machine and assemble the module in place as shown in the following picture.” Since the machine is powered off, do you mean we should MANUALLY push the module down and to the centre as in your photo? Please clarify.

  2. Your photo shows a different module than the one I have on my Snapmaker A350! I have only got 2 screws on the side of my module (A350). Are they both for the sensor?

  3. I saw the video in project update #17 but it did not help. if anything it is ever more confusing. So we are supposed to have a 0.05 mm clearance between nozzle and bed and 0.2 mm between sensor and bed, so how do you do this using the credit card exactly? How thick is a credit card? How do you know the nozzle is 0.05 mm above the bed before you start to play with the sensor height if the machine is off? And even if it is on, since the sensor is not yet set it cannot help you get to that point. Do we need a feeler gauge for this? Is there one in the kit provided? Is the white card that was in the kit 0.05 mm? I am totally confused here.

It is really frustrating and confusing when you give insufficient background detail, as we then risk damaging our machines. I wish you could explain the process in a simpler way. One step at a time in baby steps even, without assuming anything.

Thank you.

Hi @JohnFiott. Welcome to the forum, BTW. :slightly_smiling_face:

Some general history here: Basically the sensor was too high above the nozzle. These are steps to bring the sensor lower to the nozzle. It doesn’t need to be exact, just “about 1 mm”
It’s really important to update the firmware and also Luban - ESPECIALLY the firmware, before you do this.

I will try and help clarify this for you, so you get a fast response and can keep rolling, since it seems you are working on it today, which is awesome. There is some lag time between the states and China.

  1. Yes. once the machine is powered off the stepper motors are no longer actve and you can manually move the X-axis(horizontal) up and down. Just like during original assembly, use both hands, one at each of the vertical bars.don’t go xrazy with force! you don’t need too much to move them. Also, good idea to move the bed so the nozzle is in the center at this point as well. Same way, manually. If you are not confortable doing it manually, you can use the Luban software with e comuter hooked up on the USB to get it close.
  2. The picture is from the back side of the module. I hope this clears up your confusion with the image, otherwise you really do have a different module somehow!

NOTE HERE: There should be a step between the 2 and 3 steps. Once you have completed all of step 2, you should reassembe the module back to the original position before continuing to step 3. I would recommend moving the x-axis to maximum height at this point.

  1. This is very good feedback for the snapmaker team, but I will elaborate. The white calibration card is for 3d printing. It is .1mm thick, but you don’t need it for this. You could put it there if you wanted to, but it’s not necessary. What IS necessary - you want the nozzle down on the very center of the bed. Just touching. Make sure it’s not digging in. Now, you put the credit card under the sensor area. The picture is taken from the back of the machine.

I hope that helps you!

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Sorry sir, I will try to offer the guide properly. Maybe a video and more detailed pictures. I will keep you updated in this page.

Thank you so much ! Now I am starting to see the light.

So…

  1. I need to remove the module and reattach it as shown so that i can access the screws.
  2. I can move the module down until the nozzle just touches the bed
  3. I then adjust the sensor using the credit card

Brilliant and very clear!

I have not done this yet, because what I did today as part of the investigation was to:

  1. Re-installed firmware 1.8 on the machine and 3.5 on Luban
  2. Ran an auto calibration using 5 x 5
  3. Tried to print a calibration STL (attached)
  4. The nozzle extruded material about a full centimetre above the bed. I stopped it.
  5. i ran a full manual calibration of all 25 points and printed the STL again
  6. This time the STL printed but not all were good quality. I took various photos.
  7. Unfortunately I am unable to interpret the meaning of the artifacts but I can submit these if necessary. Would “support” or someone here be able to guide me on this please?

Now that i know how to adjust the sensor, i will do that and run the auto calibration again and then rerun the test calibration print.

However I have some doubts because a 5 x 5 is not as accurate as a 7 x 7 or 8 x 8 and some of the artifacts were towards the extreme edges.

I saw some expert users who used this grid and sent G code to set the Z for particular points to fix issues. Can we maybe have some kind of tutorial showing (a) what a “bad” first layer looks like and what it “should” look like and how we can get there by tweaking G code directly and passing on the coordinates and desired Z?

Here is the calibration grid I used. Maybe we can use this for all users as a central reference point and show people how to fine tune accordingly?

Thank you once again for your help!

Target print|463x500

I appreciate your support Edwin. Just keep in mind a lot of us are beginners… but now NilartPax has explained it well so I can follow what I need to do. Please do read my reply though as even if I do get it to print on the bed, this does not mean it will be a good first layer and that is what I need to achieve. I have seen other printers (cheap ones) where you don’t even see the layer lines, or at least hardly… that’s where I want to get to. I think the 5 x 5 may not be enough for this. is it possible to take it further say to a 7 x 7 or even 8 x 8 calibration matrix? Thanks.

Here is an example of what I mean. This was before I did the sensor adjustment and recalibration. is it supposed to be like this ? I marked various points with a red arrow to show where I am not sure about the output… In some cases it is as if the nozzle has ploughed through the numeral, I did see the filament go backwards through the nozzle so I suppose Z retraction is happening… In some cases there is clearly too much material - maybe I should have reduced nozzle flow to 90% or even less? Still, I suppose I should really fix the sensor position and do this again before touching anything else. Thanks.

Once you have adjusted the sensor try the 5x5 calibration, but use an index card if you have one, instead of the calibration card.

Google search for proper initial layer height and check out the images. :blush: