This is not meant to be trolling. Now, that I see the EU shop prices (700 EUR vs. 430 pre-order) I have to say those prices are completely bonkers. I can get an entire FlashForge dual-extruder printer with build volume of 200 x 148 x 150 mm for 700 EUR. A complete printer, not an extruder head.
Now, that the dollar and the EURO are pretty much equal, what explains the 100 EUR/USD extra?
I’m more concerned about getting a functioning Luban. The new dual print module obviously requires new Luban, but by all reports that seems to be a train wreck. I hate to order the print head only to be waiting months for working software.
Yes, i am saying MK8
The pricing in different currencies needs to follow the local policies. In Europe, the price needs to include value-added tax(VAT), which is paid to the local government, not the profit of the brand. The average VAT rate in the EU region is 20%. In America, things are different. The US folks have to pay that, and it’s not included in the price. Hence, the EU price is intuitively higher than the US price.
Btw is it still possible to generate gcode in cura for it?
Yes, you can still generate gcode in Cura and print it on your Snapmaker.
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@Melitta_Snapmaker Can you please give some more details on this?
On your heated bed, from the first point to the last, the proximity sensor in the module obtains data for each of them and they will be automatically processed by the controller. No need to worry about Z height calibration either. Optoelectronic switch will do it for you.
Will that new leveling sensor with “Optoelectronic switch” work with a glass bed too?
Hello, the Otopelectronic switch in the Dual Extrusion Module for Snapmaker 2.0 only works for auto Z height calibration. The leveling sensor is still a proximity switch, it won’t work with a glass bed. So if you have a glass bed on your Snapmake 2.0, the auto bed leveling function won’t work, you need to level the bed manually.
The Price is $369 if you buy it between Sept 27th and Sept. 30th. After that, the pre-sale price goes to $399
I’m happy to wait and pay $399, as I have very little confidence that either the hardware or Luban will be ready by year end.
Just pulled the trigger… like with the 10W laser they managed to get the pre-order price just right into the regime where I cringe and say: Argh, how expensive, but where my irrational brain parts say: But see, breakaway support is sooo cool…
Still, I really do not like the price regime Snapmaker heads for… For hobbyists this is not sustainable IMHO.
To kindof rationalize, here some thoughts:
Pro:
- Some mistakes made with the first print module seem to be avoided: Fan design looks OK, Extruder gear looks much better (and I have issues with extrusion with the single-printhead), Extruder wheels look exchangeable in case of wear (maybe I’m totally wrong here…), And it seems now it really is full metal, i.e. truly capable of high temp’s (or is it just the larger heat sink? hope not…)
- The overall implementation looks even clever in places - hope I am not disappointed in the end…
- The main usecase for me will most likely be easy-get-off support, not so much dual color, but perhaps I’ll surprise myself here
But support often has annoyed me and I damaged prints when removing it, so I hope for improvement here. - Supported not only by Luban - still can use Cura or PrusaSlicer.
Con:
- Price! It is too expensive!
- Price! The exchange-nozzles are way too expensive!!!
- Loss in print height: Why on earth did they place the mounting holes of the print head centrally? As a result, we loose 4 cm (!) in available print height! A simple offset of the mounting holes would have avoided that… What an oversight!
- Information available: Like always, the web page is nebulous about the actual improvements - it say improved this, optimized that, but nothing substantial on what really changed from the previous module
Neither Pro nor Con/Things I do not understand/I’m unsure about:
- Loss in Build volume X: Understandable - two nozzles need room.
- Loss in Build volume Y: Huh? Why? Mistake on the product page? Or are the nozzles offset to the front as compared to the single extrusion module? Not so nice then… But perhaps again understandable given the added functionality…
- Second spool holder included - nice! But where does it fit onto the enclosure? Well, we’ll see From the “parts included” pictures I infer that the spool holder is mounted to the horizontal rail of the enclosure like the stop button…
- Seems that bowden tubes are included for better filament guidance - nice! Also seems that there is some plug for the enclosure hole - let’s see how this works in reality. Could not yet find the Quick Start Guide as PDF, that should answer it.
- It seems they somehow changed the bed levelling sensor - curious how this plays out in the end… But I suppose they had to due to the glass bed of Artisan. “Optoelectric” sounds like infrared distance sensor - it would also explain why they claim the Z-height is no longer needs manual adjustment: If they can measure absolute distances, the software can do it all, provided that the nozzle-tip-to-sensor offset is stable and well known. If I’m right here, I can even envision a bed levelling procedure that is not a matrix of points, but a “line scanning” procedure, which would allow faster and more dense calibration patterns… (just dreaming…)
- Chipped exchange hotends: Good for automatic detection, not so good if you want to avoid buying the expensive exchange hotend modules but just replace the nozzle mechanically. But they say somewhere that it’s software-overridable, so that’s OK… Guess if you use a third party slicer it does not matter anyhow.
Things I am afraid of
- Precision: With the quick-swappable hotends: Will the two nozzles align well enough? In a repeatable way? Or is there a calibration procedure?
- Extruder wheel replacement: If it is possible at all to replace a worn filament gear, It still looks like a custom made thing, and that most likely will mean it is rediculously expensive to replace and potentially difficult to source…
A lot of speculation, forgive me.
Edit: Just found this: FAQs of Dual Extrusion 3D Printing Module for Snapmaker 2.0 - there’s still a PTFE liner in the hotend, but they claim it will stay at 60°C… hope they’re right…
Cheers
Hauke
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If you wait until after the pre-sale, the price goes to $599.00
You’re contradicting yourself LOL…
Either way, I don’t mind paying extra and waiting to see how this item pans out. SM has frequent sales.
I am not contradicting myself…can you read?? I said PRE-SALE PRICE! I said it multiple times. If you purchase it AFTER THE PRE-SALE, THE PRICE GOES TO $599 PER THE WEBSITE
Oh I know what Snapmaker wrote, it’s what YOU posted that I’m questioning…
Oh bless your heart…maybe you can’t read…or logic is lost on you. Nothing I said in that statement is incorrect. But that’s ok, it was great talking to you and I hope you have a wonderful day!
I’m seeing some people stating that they are holding off until Luban has support for it. If you are using Luban to slice, then you should never get this. Luban will NEVER, ever, come close to the support that other slicers have, even though it is built upon the Cura engine. For any dual extruder 3D printer, you should be running 1 of the following 3 slicers:
- SuperSlicer (expanded version of PrusaSlicer)
- PrusaSlicer
- Cura
If you plan on using Luban, I can tell you right now that you will not at all be happy, and will be very disappointed with any results that you achieve. Luban is designed for first time users who need training wheels. When the training wheels are ready to come off, then you should be ready for a real slicer.
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Actually I use both Luban and Cura. And believe it or not there are instances where the output from Luban is superior. Sure it’s the same engine, but for many they don’t want to wade thru all the settings of Cura. Luban has made some better default assumptions and works just fine for most prints. So hopefully they continue to do so.
I don’t believe that, for the simple fact the Luban uses the Cura engine. Once you learn how to use Cura properly, or better yet, SuperSlicer or PrusaSlicer, you will understand what I am saying. Until then, use the training wheels for as long as you need them.
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