Really struggling with TPU jams

I’ve had my U1 for a couple of weeks now and pla has been fine as you’d expect.

I mostly/at least half bought the machine for TPU and different material support capabilities though. I have a “product” I print primarily from 68D TPU (Bambu TPU for AMS) that I’ve had to print with regular supports and wanted to print a clean interface in PLA or PETG. This has worked brilliantly a couple of times on the U1, however…

The rest of the time, I’m getting TPU jams, it spitting the filament out sideways in the head. Even on single material prints. I’ve had issues with the 68D (AMS) TPU which I’ve never had a single jam on before. 72D and regular 95A. I’ve tried different extruders and I’ve now had to disassemble 5 times to unpick the filaments (this is not fun!). I’ve had more failures in the past 2 weeks than I’ve had in 5 years and I’ve not even been using it that much as it’s not my day job.

I’m really struggling to work out why I’m seeing so many problems. Filaments are dry, transfered to filament dryers and fed from there, a workflow that’s never been an issue before. Examining the filament I’m extracting from the downed toolheads it’s generally folded up and spat out of the side but not generally not that toothmarked, it just looks like it’s escaping more than anything.

Help!?

Welcome to the Forum @Zantium :sign_of_the_horns::sign_of_the_horns:

Sorry I’m not gonna have much help, as I’ve yet to print TPU on my U1. Also, I’m unfamiliar with 68D.

One thing that did catch my eye is that you’re printing from the dryer boxes. While I understand that you’ve successfully printed that way in the past, have you tried printing directly from the U1 spool holder yet? Maybe there’s something with the U1 that has issues pulling from the boxes that will be negated with the spool holder…

Wish I could be more help and hopefully someone has more experience than I!

I have used flexible filament upto 90A and only used it through drybox.

Only recommendation I have is check your max flow rate and retraction settings. These were two things that were causing extruder slipping for me.

Also try directly feeding instead of feeders, I personally use feeders even with 90A

Thanks for the replies, I saw the first one in the middle of the night and then it occured to me that it’s occuring on retraction.
The toolheads I’ve disassembled which have been jammed, haven’t had the filament in the nozzle and I cannot be sure if I’ve seen the issue on a print when no toolheads have been swapped.

So, something about this particular setup is causing the filament to buckle on retraction. The 68D in particular really shouldn’t, it’s a similar stiffness to petg off the roll and generally prints as easily as pla.
Possibly too much resistance to being pushed back which is a puzzle as manually pulling it forward from the dry boxes feels lighter than the spool holders which have a fair amount of turning resistance. But in reverse, maybe this is different.
The other idea is possibly some heat creep softening the filament when another tool is being used. Again shouldn’t be the case, but it really has to be one of those two.

I’ve got 2 toolheads to take apart to unjam today so when I’m done with that I’ll try from the spool holders or maybe just removing the ptfe tube along the path. I think the reverse resistance is more likely the cause.

Incidentally, I was surprised how much space there is between where the filament comes in and hitting the gears. Even my old Artillery Genius’s extruder had the path extending most of the way… but it’s working for most other people so must be fine in this respect. Edit, I’m just being stupid here - the path is constrained on the piece you take off. :man_facepalming:

Oh the 68D will print fine on the racetrack beyond 18mm3/s in both the P1S and U1. But dropping it to 3mm3/s for normal TPU didn’t solve the issue.

Retraction wise, for the nozzle to be empty upon disassembly, something appears to be retracting it a long way on toolchange. The settings for the filament and profiles are normal though. I’ve tried my existing Bambu profile and generic TPU on both of these fronts.

Right, this looks like a problem of my own creation. I was butting the ptfe tubes from the boxes up against the inlets on the feeders, when pulling through, the resistance is fine and it seems to work OK.
When I push or pull the filament back though, the resistance is much higher. :man_facepalming:
This must be why mods such as this exist: PTFE adapter for Snapmaker U1 by Lukáš Komenda | Download free STL model | Printables.com

I have removed the ptfe tubes for now and will re-evaluate.

Awesome, hope that works! Sucks creating your own issues but probably better than having to replace parts or the machine :joy::sign_of_the_horns::sign_of_the_horns:

For TPU you need a trick: loosen the side screw a little bit on the print head to reduce gear pressure so the TPU can pass through the gears more easily.

Thanks for the tip, I did manage a dual 95a / 68d test print yesterday but I’ll give that a tweak if I need further steps.

I’ll probably get some softer TPU at some point so I’m sure it’ll come in handy.

I’ve also got the snapdryer kit arriving in a few hours so my temporary working with my existing dryers can be swapped out.

We’re not sure what the softest TPU we can print is, but we’ve had good results with 85 A. Maybe you can help us test something even softer!

TPU is soft and will slip in the extruder if it to cold, I have had success by running a hotter temperature

I am planning on printing 60A TPU in the near future, will give an update here when I get to it! And if/when I need some help :joy:

You can try using this tool.
There’s an introduction video.

Do you mind telling me which filament profile and settings you are using for the TPU for AMS on the U1?

I have a new U1 and I also have a product where I use TPU for AMS due to its physical properties.

I’m trying to get it dialed in and it’s just not close yet.

Perhaps you could share your settings for the TPU for AMS to help get me started?

Thanks!

I have tested that TPU above 85A can be printed directly. I haven’t tried materials that are softer than that, but I have seen others say that 80A requires adjusting the extrusion screw.

Sure, here are my TPU for AMS settings (64D) on the U1;

Retraction overide of 0.4mm

No screw adjustment was needed for the harder TPUs 64/72D but the tpu-air, I had to back it off or it just chewed it up. I’ve left it backed off though and just use that toolhead for TPU anyway.

Hope that helps.

Thank you.

After some calibrations, I ended up very close to these settings.

I am just running the calibrations on esun 83A TPE and it seems to be going quite well. Already calibrated an old spool of Creality 95A TPU ( sat in the open for months ) which printed a door stop like a champ. Managed to get it to print at 10 mm3 flow as well with no stringing.

quick update, everything was fine until about 220’C when filament started coming out of the side of the toolhead. I managed to pull the filament out, but dissassebled the toolhead just in case.

I can also confirm that the filament feeder does not like Bamby TPU 85A.