Horrible supports (underextruded?) with PETG

Hi,
I’m trying to print PETG with my snapmaker2.0 using Luban to slice. The main part comes out great, the supports are horrible. For the part I’m printing right now I think I could have got away without supports, but I’m trying to figure out the problem for the next print.




It seems like it just isn’t extruding enough filament for the supports or something. Does anyone know what’s going on and how I can fix it?
Supports seem to work fine with PLA by the way, and I’ve reduced the retraction speed for PETG to 20mm/s, which improved my results a lot from what I got at 60mm/s.
Thanks!

Have you calibrated extrusion?

Printed a temp tower?

-S

I printed a temp tower and it came out fine at the temperature I’m using, and the main thing I’m printing also comes out fine. Haven’t calibrated extrusion though, so I’ll search for how to do that and give it a go, thanks. It looks like it is under-extruding the supports, so that might help, it just confuses me that the object itself is fine.

We have not used PETG very often, and we do not meet such support issue. You can kindly increase the retraction distance and the retraction speed.

Cheers
Edwin

Thanks for the reply Edwin. I have already reduced the retraction speed from 60mm/s down to 20mm/s and found it gave noticeably better results. If you think it is worthwhile I will try increasing it again, but am also thinking of maybe decreasing it even further as it seems to pull the supports to pieces when it is to fast. Does that make sense?

What Is Retraction?

A stringy model with poor retraction settings.

A stringy model with poor retraction settings. Source: Ultimaker

FDM 3D printing works by melting plastic and extruding it to construct 3D objects. Sometimes, this molten plastic can ooze out of the nozzle when you don’t want it to, leaving unsightly strings and wisps on the print.

Retraction is a process used to reduce this effect. By pulling some of the plastic out of the printer’s hot end before it travels, the pressure in the molten plastic is reduced, decreasing the odds of stringing over open spaces.

This setting is accessed and adjusted through your printer’s slicing software and can be tuned to achieve clean, precise prints. Here, we’ll run you through the right settings for the best results in Cura.

Before we get started, consider downloading this retraction test print for tuning your settings.

With that, let’s get into it!

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CURA RETRACTION SETTINGS: HOW TO AVOID STRINGING

Retraction Distance and Speed

Retraction distance and speed alter the extruder's behavior during retracts.

Retraction distance and speed alter the extruder’s behavior during retracts. Source: Ultimaker

As their names suggest, retraction distance and speed deal with how the plastic filament is pulled out of the hot end. Both will require tuning to find the optimal “sweet spot” between retraction performance and the hardware limitations of your printer.

Retraction distance changes how far back the filament is pulled. Too low of a value will not properly relieve pressure in the hot end, but too high of a value can cause jams and clogs. Starting with the default Cura settings and tweak the distance by 1 mm at a time to find the optimal value.

Likewise, reaction speed changes how fast the filament is pulled back. Too low of a value will lead to sloppy retractions, but too high of a value may end up grinding the filament. Starting with the default Cura settings, tweak the speed by 5 mm/s at a time to find the optimal value.

Setting names:

  • Retraction Distance
  • Retraction Speed

In Cura settings category:

  • “Material”

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Retraction Minimum Travel

Retractions are performed only when the minimum travel distance is met (green).

Retractions are performed only when the minimum travel distance is met (green). Source: Ultimaker

This setting determines the minimum distance for which retraction will occur. It is a safety precaution against unnecessary, repeated retractions in close proximity to each other, in order to prevent filament grinding. A retraction is only performed if the print head will be traveling far enough to warrant one.

This setting should be as high as acceptable to decrease the risk of print failure. A lower value will allow for smaller features to be printed cleanly, which is sometimes necessary, but it will also increase the risk of grinding. Try starting at 1 mm and adjust as necessary by 0.5 mm increments .

Setting name:

  • Retraction Minimum Travel

In Cura settings category:

  • “Material”

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CURA RETRACTION SETTINGS: HOW TO AVOID STRINGING

Combing

“Combing” keeps the print head within the model (dark blue), instead of retracting and moving over open space (light blue). Source: Ultimaker

“Combing” readjusts the printer’s travel moves to avoid unnecessary retractions. Instead of retracting the filament and crossing open space to reach its next location, the print head will try to travel directly across the interior of the model. This limits opportunities for strings to form, as any oozing is left within the print.

By turning combing on, you’ll likely also see a decrease in print times, as the printer no longer has to stop to retract. Surface quality will also improve. You may, however, see an increase in scarring on the top layer of the print, left by the nozzle as it drags across the surface. Avoiding combing on top layers is possible by setting it to “Within Infill” or “Not in Skin” instead of “All”.

Setting name:

  • Combing

In Cura settings category:

  • “Travel”

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CURA RETRACTION SETTINGS: HOW TO AVOID STRINGING

Wiping & Coasting

Coasting turns off the extruder for the final sections of a print line (orange) to ease pressure in the hot end.

Coasting turns off the extruder for the final sections of a print line (orange) to ease pressure in the hot end. Source: Ultimaker

“Wiping” and “coasting” are not directly retraction settings, but they can both improve retraction performance. Both do what their names suggest: “wiping” moves the nozzle a short distance across the outer wall of the model to smear off any leftover plastic, and “coasting” turns off the extruder for the final millimeters of a print line. This decreases the pressure buildup in the hot end and minimizes any blobbing or zits left by retractions.

Work with the default values (0.4-mm wipe distance, 0.064-mm3 coasting volume) and adjust by 0.1 mm and 0.01 mm3 , respectively. Take special caution with coasting, as too much can lead to holes in the print from print lines not being completed. Consider setting a Minimum Volume Before Coasting at around 0.8 mm3 , which will limit coasts that are too long.

Setting names:

  • Outer Wall Wipe Distance
  • Enable Coasting
    • Coasting Volume
    • Minimum Volume Before Coasting

In Cura settings categories (respectively ):

  • “Shell”
  • “Experimental”

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CURA RETRACTION SETTINGS: HOW TO AVOID STRINGING

There You Go!

A clean, string-free print with proper retraction settings.

A clean, string-free print with proper retraction settings. Source: Ultimaker

There you have it: the most important Cura retraction settings for nailing retractions. By understanding and tuning each of these, you can minimize stringing and improve print quality.

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