Driver temperature

Hello.

Since my drivers became quite warm during the last print at a bed temperature of 85 degrees Celsius—reaching up to 94 degrees Celsius—I contacted support to ask if this was intentional.

(Printed without the cover!!!)

I received this response:

Thank you for your support of the U1, and I sincerely apologize for the issue you encountered during use. We will do our best to help you resolve it as soon as possible.


Please don’t worry—this is normal behavior. With the top cover installed, the temperature is expected to reach around 105°C, and it may also vary depending on the ambient temperature. This is still within the chip’s rated operating range, so it is safe for normal use.***

What is your opinion on the long-term durability of the components at these temperatures?

Should we wait and see, or install an additional fan solution?

I’ve had a career in military electronics. Commercial grade chips are generally specified to 70ºC, which does not mean they will instantly die if that temperature is exceeded, just that they have not been tested and are not guaranteed to operate within their specifications at that ambient temperature. The temperature is extended to 85ºC for Industrial, and 125ºC for Military spec.

The troublesome bit is not so much the ambient temperature as the measures taken to mitigate the temperature of the chip itself, inside the packaging. There is “thermal resistance”, which limits the rate at which heat generated can be dissipated. Thermal resistance can be reduced by fitting the chip with a heat sink, for example. The figure for thermal resistance tells you how much higher than ambient the temperature of the silicon is per watt that it has to dissipate.

Just for the sake of argument, let’s suppose the stepper drivers (when working hard) are dissipating 1W, and their thermal resistance when mounted on a PCB with no active cooling is 20ºC/W (I don’t know whether these figures are representative). That results in the silicon temperature being 20ºC higher than ambient, but in this case “ambient” means the temperature inside the enclosure, not the room temperature. As you can see, in this example, add 20ºC to the 105ºC inside the enclosure and you get a 125ºC operating temperature for the silicon.

Figures in Texas Instruments datasheets I used to work to de-rated expected life for silicon chips from nominal at 105ºC to 0.2 x nominal at 125ºC, so yes this is a concern. Perhaps motor drivers are made using an exotic process such as silicon carbide to withstand high temperatures, but I doubt we could afford them if they were.

To my mind, it is key that the power control electronics and anything else that gets hot (eg the processor, and the power supply) are not exposed to elevated enclosure temperatures. Unfortunately there’s nothing that can be done to protect the electronics in the tool heads.

Additional to concerns about lifetime of electronics, I would also worry about the ratings of mechanical components such as drive belts, and the stepper motors themselves. Steppers get hot, and in a high-temperature environment they will get hotter still – potentially to the melting point of the plastics they are mounted on.

Time will tell. If my fears are real, we’ll get a flood of posts about temperature stress once the top cover is widely delivered and people have started using it to print ABS, PC, whatever. My recommendation is not to be the guinea pig.

What footnote did the “***” refer to?

Sorry, the dots appeared when I copied and pasted.

Oh, OK. Weird! I wondered whether they indicated some kind of get-out clause in fine print.

If 105ºC is “within the chip’s rated operating range”, they must be using Mil Spec – but I wonder how much consideration has gone into the headroom needed for power dissipation. My comments about de-rating expected life still stand.

I see it the same way.

I just printed ASA for the first time today - with the enclosure.

The stepper values are already alarming.

And on top of that, I received an error message after the print, when starting the next print:

Error Code: 0003-0530-0000-0027.

It seems everything got properly hot for the first time, and I should adjust the belt tension.

I’m now considering buying and installing these extra fans…

I got a fan 40x10 mm, USB connection and glued this to the right side of the printer, outside, front of Spool no 3, blowing air into the space behind, Temps get to low 50/60° Celsius,

My slightly modified version has now also been integrated. This reduces the driver temperatures to below 55°C.

Link to the STL:

Upto 105 is normal in most power devices and MCU these days with max JN temp being 125c.

Active cooling would be good but being near 100c is not instantly a concen.

A fan one the side though does make a faily big impact, I added one just leaning there half way though a print and the impact is noticable.

I will install this solution:

See second post:

…and we were discussing whether MTBF would be negatively impacted by running the U1 at elevated chamber temperatures, so although 100ºC as a junction temperature is not a concern per se, the OP was getting up to 94ºC even without a lid. Raise that another 11ºC and you’re getting into de-rated lifetime territory. We are not saying things will die instantly, only that it would be wise to take measures and it would be gung-ho to just carry on regardless.

I’ve now printed the covers with HT PLA from The Filament (without post-sintering).

Tested at 90 degrees for half an hour – everything held up fine. At 120 degrees, it starts to soften slowly. I think it’s more than sufficient for this purpose.

Now I’m just waiting for the fans.

…especially if the fans keep themselves cool! Excellent.

WOW, interesting! where did you find this project?