Disappointed and looking to get out

This comment has lead me down an interesting path. I am now using this to print parts for its replacement. Poorly, but it has a larger print volume than my ender does and thus does a better job of printing more parts at a time. I’m already up to my fourth reprint on some of the parts…

Looking at some of the specifications for the Voron 2.4 design, it prints faster with the same print volume as the SM. I actually really like the idea of the flying Gantry design as well because a lot of the issues that I seem to have with adhesion come from the fact that the bed vibrates like a bedroom toy as it moves around depending on the pathing for the print job.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to notice that the violent vibrations seem to be popping the parts off of the bed. What I am seeing right now as far as print quality issues appears to be related to cold spots on the heated bed. Anything that gets too far from center, and that doesn’t need to be all that far mind you, doesn’t get heated properly and warps off the bed.

Weirdly enough, it seems like some of the best prints I’ve had have been the parts to replace this machine with a different one. It’s almost as if it was aware that I was trying to get rid of it and was trying to do a good job until I proved to be too determined. After that I’ve had one failure after another again.

If you are an engineer at all, or are reasonably savvy with electronics, I would highly recommend looking at this DIY solution for a 3D printer. While it seems daunting at first, it is much less so when you consider that the SM machines show up without two parts screwed together in the entire package. You end up having to assemble the whole damn thing yourself anyway so might as well buy one that is up front about that, prints faster, and is specifically designed as per their documentation not to be fiddled with once it is set up properly.

In general I really wish somebody at SM would take a look at this thread. You have multiple people coming in here and sharing all of their experiences saying the same thing. Quality control is non-existent. Customer support is non-existent. The customer base does not feel that the machine is worth it’s asking price. Customers do not feel that the company cares about their experience.

This is not a good situation if you want your company to last. At minimum there have been some major oversights in customer relations that need to be corrected immediately.

At this point I’m legitimately waiting for SM to be the defendant in some type of suit over their business practices, and I will laugh myself silly if/when it happens because they’ve brought it on themselves.

I was thinking about this recently as well. The Y-table under an X-and-Z gantry is more suitable to tasks like CNC router, where the workpiece is bolted down securely, and small mistakes caused by table movement like deflection of the toolbit can be corrected on a second pass.

I have recently worked with a galvo laser, where the workpiece does not have to move if it fits in the galvo work area, and a 3D printer where the table moves up and down to meet the X-Y gantry (not sure what this design is called - unlike the flying gantry, the table is not totally fixed). Both were startlingly easy to work with in comparison to the A350. I suspect that the linear modules, or their control system, are largely to blame for the poor print quality I experienced with the A350 (I base this in part on the replacement modules appearing to improve print quality). I will note that I have had no problems with the A350 laser, aside from a general dislike of the buildplatform for it (and yeah, just use the CNC platform).

The 3D printer I got to replace the A350, a Bambu, is everything that a high-priced printer should be, and that the A350 isn’t. The software works well. The support is good. It is amazingly fast. It supports damn near any filament without modification. It prints great. My first prints off the thing were perfect, unlike the A350 where I had to tune and tune and tune it and still got nothing approaching this level of quality. At this point, if the Bambu were to die tomorrow, I would still have gotten more usable prints out of it (< 1 month ownership) than I have out of the A350 (29 months? I’ve lost track).

None of this means that Snapmaker should go under, or be sued into bankruptcy, or be investigated by the FTC, or anything like that. They make a product which the market should (and, likely, eventually will) be rejecting. It’s not against the law to make a product that doesn’t deliver on its advertised promises. Nor is it against the law to refuse to support the product once it’s in the hands of the end user. It is just not a good way to run a consumer business, and most companies which operate this way tend to have other businesses as customers.

The bambu definitely looks interesting, and it’s as if someone designed a machine specifically for what I was looking for when I bought the SM.

I understand your point about the retribution against SM but too many companies are doing things like this now. Post covid a lot of businesses seem to have just said screw it entirely. I don’t know how else to put it and it’s just a matter of time before people have had enough.

If it were my company, I would not want to be a high nail right now, and if I saw what people are dealing with from my products I’d be up everyone’s tailpipe until I got to the bottom of it. However I just don’t see that urgency here. It’s a shame too, because it’s a cool idea.

Unfortunately I think as you pointed out, we will be looking back at this product in a few years and wonder what the hell we’re they thinking. It already seems like the market is turning on these devices.

Their initial announcement was something like “We hated 3D printing so much that we designed our own printer” - so yeah, they get it. Even the little gimmicky things, like tuning extrusion on every print by doing an e-steps test of 5 or so lines and using a camera to determine which one is optimal, just add small increments towards getting a good print. Amazing how well it all comes together.

I can’t even loook at the A350 anymore, let alone power it up. I have the 10W head on it and some largish (in the laserin’ domain) plywood cutting to do, so I might fire it up next week. After fortifying myself with some strong whisky no doubt.

Honestly with the information you’ve inadvertently given me in this thread I probably owe you a shot or two. Ky is bourbon country after all.

Hi @Az2dante , and @edf , @Laermor , @MooseJuice , @Jim3 @ctaddey @Mxbrnr @TheBum @Skreelink @CandleFX @Fishstyx @Hauke , this is Jade from Snapmaker. I am reading this thread. As a member of the Snapmaker team, I would like to address the points you raised.

First and foremost, I want to remind you to reach out to our support team if you have any problems or questions. Support Ticket Form

I admit that there have been instances where some issues have slipped through our quality control processes and reached our customers. Our software and firmware development mainly relies on internal testing, lacking a more robust beta testing process. Additionally, some hardware issues require assistance from our customer support team to resolve. These are areas where we recognize the need to invest more resources and optimize our processes. I also agree that more team members from different departments should be involved in reviewing and addressing user feedback, as we currently lack sufficient direct interaction with our users.

Over the past year, I have been closely monitoring user feedback in the community, and I have seen a variety of responses. I would like to share my perspective. Constructive feedback is more valuable than extreme negativity.

  1. We value our manufacturing process and have established our own precision production factory. You can find more information in this video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8chlIAnpCI

  2. Regarding customer service, we have experienced some challenges in the past year, particularly towards the end of last year and the Q1 of this year. This was due to various factors, including changes in the service team, collective illness during the sudden opening of the pandemic in China, a backlog of emails, and the adjustment period for new team members. However, we have gradually returned to normal response times since the Q2 of this year. Currently, our customer support team aims to reply within 1-2 working days. During holidays, we have a limited support team available. You can find our most recent holiday notice here: Holiday Notice & Customer Service and Delivery Plans.

  3. The value of the Snapmaker 3-in-1 3D Printer can vary depending on the user’s expectations and needs. If you expect a plug-and-play machine or only require one specific function without utilizing the others, you may feel that you have spent money unnecessarily. However, if you appreciate the modular design of the machine, which allows you to create versatile and creative projects using three different methods in a relatively small space, and if you enjoy working with various materials, then you are more likely to experience the unique advantages and features of this machine. I agree with the following opinion from one of the members in this community: “Get all three workloads: 3DP, Laser and milling - IMHO only as 3-in-1 the Snapmakers show their strengths, and having all this at your hands, may even surprise you and give you new ideas.”

Unfortunately, we have not invested resources in forum operations, so we do not have a centralized topic thread to showcase these aspects. However, you can quickly find a diverse range of creative projects from Snapmaker users in the Facebook community:

Furthermore, some advanced users even modify the machine to explore more powerful or customized processing requirements. For example, although we do not promote CNC machining of metals, occasionally we see users attempting it by modifying the machine, such as reinforcing the X-axis for metal machining. Here is an example of a user sharing their modification and metal machining process: https://www.facebook.com/groups/371401856611467/user/531195948/

  1. We acknowledge that there is room for improvement in terms of problem fixing and product optimization. We do not have the resources to recall and upgrade all the products, and our after-sales service may not meet the standards we aspire to. However, we are making efforts to integrate resources and provide reasonable support to help users better utilize their Snapmaker devices and reduce issues. For example, in this topic thread, you can see the timeline, process, and user feedback regarding the after-sales issue with the dual extrusion module. I understand that some users appreciate our concern and diligent handling of issues, while others continue to express their dissatisfaction and urge us to provide better solutions. This is a genuine example that reflects our current stage of development. We cannot avoid mistakes, but we will not give up on our users or cease our efforts to grow and improve. You can find the topic thread here: Front Cover STL File & Replacement Kit Update (Dual Extrusion Module)

I also want to mention a great Snapmaker resource integration project initiated by a dedicated community member @nweolu . It provides a comprehensive list of Snapmaker docs, talks, tools, examples, and articles available on the internet. GitHub - shurushetr/awesome-snapmaker: Curated list of things that help you make something awesome with Snapmaker machines.

Lastly, I would like to kindly remind users who encounter problems or confusion to reach out to our support team as soon as possible. Support Ticket Form

We apologize for any issues you may have faced, and we will do our best to provide support. Your understanding and cooperation in troubleshooting are greatly appreciated. Additionally, if you feel that the Snapmaker 3-in-1 3D Printer no longer meets your needs, you are free to trade it in the second-hand market and choose a product that better suits your requirements. I believe that this is a more reasonable option.

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It is rare to see an official response on the forum.

In the past, various users have suggested additional features and talked about glitches in the forum, but there has been no official response or response visible in the forum.

CNC machining of A250/A350 in relief on 5mm plate

The Y-axis base plate sinks due to moment and is not accurate.
The X axis is also not accurate due to torsion.

I believe that both the X and Y axes have structural problems and the CNC machining does not meet the conditions posted by the manufacturer, which is a structural defect in the product.

Many people were troubled and began to build modified Y-axis support structures.

This is also a result of the manufacturer’s failure to address the issue.

The weakness of the linear module against torsion affects machining accuracy.

Your written comment misrepresents that part.

I have 3 A250’s and all 3 can’t do CNC machining properly.

The reason is that the table sinks due to the downward moment when machining with the table away from the fulcrum.

In addition, the X-axis tool head twists, which makes it impossible to maintain machining accuracy.

When will Snapmaker address this problem?

I am concerned that I feel that many active forum users have been disappearing from this forum for several years now.

In hindsight - I’d pretty much agree.

I was intrigued by the (cleanly sealed) linear rails, bedslinger design, 3-in-1 functionality (even though I didn’t plan to even try the milling), and claimed nice features in terms of head temp limit, bed temp limit, lighted/vented enclosure, etc. (Kickstarter A250 btw, if it matters). Claims of CANBUS and modularity and more tools and different shape factors with longer rails and all as of that time, now pretty much gone.

Overall, It’s worked, and far far better than my prior experience with a verrrry early machine - Solidoodle v2!! - which I had to spend months frankensteining to get working. The laser worked well enough I did upgrade from the original 1.6W to 10W - going to 20 and 40 but staying blue diode seems silly to me. At that power level I’d be more after a CO2 or something. Their price for the filtration is just silly - I added a couple fans and packed a tupperware box full of activated charcoal bags for probably $100.

In hindsight - a good similar 3D printer and laser separately would probably run me about the same as I’ve got invested at this point…I am into the newer gen print head (plus a spare), have a spare 10W laser head and the faster replacement railset all waiting in the wings (picked up on 50-60% off sales or with the Snapmaker adopter coupons (when the ‘fast’ rails and the Ax50T machines came out) at various times). Modded the PSU myself with a quieter fan, added my own ‘flat manifold’ duct to my destinkerator, modded up the laser plate with some edge pieces and a magnet sheet so I can just drop it on the print bed and only have to swap print head for laser head, but nothing else.

It’s still working - the one recent issue I have is random power-off events that I think might be an overheat trip in the X rail, happens sometimes after 12-15 hours of continuous printing (multiple 1-2 hour jobs after another) but not regularly enough to have occurred when I’m present to take any other sort of guess. (That rail gets HOT after a long time, almost too hot to tolerate holding a finger against for more than 1 sec.)

So with apologies to Snapmaker - as it has given me and will hopefully still give me some great useful life - I don’t actually recommend it to anyone who’s curious, today nor have I been truly tempted beyond brief moments browsing under the influence to buy the Artisan, or the IDEX machines.

I am sad to see people who’ve never gotten theirs even to a functional standpoint - hopefully that remains the outlier (but it does also seem like it’s always up in the 350 size that the major complaints are, so again, perhaps I dodged a bullet by not being as ambitious). But at this point I think I’m just biding my time. Will swap in new rails when I think I need to, and 10W laser and/or print head spares. But my next machines when this eventually quits or starts feeling too limiting, will be from someone else.

EDIT - also interesting how many old timey regulars are in this thread. You, moosejuice, many of whom haven’t posted for months. Does kind of show a … ‘fading’ trend?

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“Jack of all trades master of none”… This is to be expected for any all-in-one. But for me I was willing to accept that, and I’ve never regretted getting one. I use my A250 at least 2-3 hours EVERY day for the past 30 months. Never had any real issues, other that replacing nozzles and print beds. With that said, I still use old version of Luban and SM firmware, and Cura. That all works for me, so I see no need to have the latest update. Im guessing those claiming issues are attributed to incorrect setup. There’s not much that can really go wrong if everything is in alignment from the get go.

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I would say your experience is one of the rare ones. My issues with the machine have ALL been due to poor quality design and/or components. From worn out linear rail bearings, to hotend PTFE liners that degrade far to easily, bad firmware and software programming, a delaminating print sheet, and a part cooling fan that has near 0-airflow compared to others because they randomly changed to a substandard supplier. For a machine with less than 1000hrs on it, that’s pretty pathetic, and some of these issues arose in as little as 300hrs, or have ALWAYS been a problem from the very start (software/firmware). This is not to mention the issues that I have witnessed MANY people have with the Dual Extruder print head that is entirely due to just flat-out bad engineering design.

Sadly, I don’t think the country of origin and ownership of the company is a coincidence in the matter. It seems that it has been for decades now that it has never been readily associated with the terms quality and reliability, but definitely has been with deceptive appearances and profit at all costs.

What’s the statistics you base this on? I’d be careful with such statements. I see a lot of people posting impressive results from their machines, I also see a lot of problems. There’s a tendency to have the problems over-represented, since people that have no problems often just stay quiet, while those with problems reach out to the community, often both asking for help and venting their frustration…

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Exactly. I own a few snapmaker machines and working with all modules. And for sure I have also some problems. But they work.
I had a visit of another snapmaker User these days and we did some prints and lasers and He was impressed how good my prints were. I asked him for his calibrations for esteps and flow settings and he never did those… also some other stuff like basic knowledge about over- and underextrusion, good first layer etc was missing. Yeah, for those guys is a snapmaker the wrong device. We also did some laser calibration (the one from snapmaker Wiki) and he did not know that. This is difficult…
The devices which come “Out of the box useful” are relative new. The snapmaker (also the 2.0) is some years old. I don’t think you cannot expect a device which directly runs perfect. And most people complaining here still argument “this or that module is bad”. The axis for CNC, the power of the laser, the quality of the prints and for sure the software topic… but they buy a 3in1 device which is a compromise. And they want to pay exorbitant prices. For sure better axis stability would be great for CNC. For sure a better laser would nice with better camera. For sure the auto calibration of Bamboo would be great. And luban ist also just a compromise. To get startest fast and try the modules.
But better axis would be significant more expensive (Like on Artisan) - and there is a reason why professional CNC so not have that high z Axis… but for printing you need those. The 50W router is not a secret. And also the 200W of the Artisan ist just a toy. For real CNC you will need 500W+ but you will have to pay more money and you will get a better and rigid architecture for CNC. But you will never Print with that device.
The 1,6W laser was quite usual in sm2 Release. In my opinion they should Not reduce the sm2 price but should add a 10w rather then the 1.6W, but it is okay. And some people here love the 1.6 for engraving.
For me also printing works good. The results after tuning the parameters are without any problems you can’t handle. Yeah, petg is stringing, Abs is stinking, Pla melts in sun light… but take time, trim your device and run it. Yeah, the parts cooling was not nice. A lot of printer have this problem. Then add some supports or Mod your device… Nobody can expect a 2000€ printer when they buy a 2000€ 3in1 device. In best case you can expect a 600€ one. Some aspects of the snapmaker will fullfil that, Others not and third will exceed that.

I had also troubles with some of my machines, also with the dual head. But everytime I got help. Often here in the Forum, but also from the Support Team. I Just feel the anger of buyers of new products. You will pay a Lot of Money, get a Green banana, have to wait for fixes and when you can use the product you can buy it for 40% in a sale. Thats why i pre order or just wait for a sale.

But make a Long Story short: Firmware and Software is the Main problem for me. Most real problems was solved by resetting the modules. Shifting, poor print quality in correct Software settings, and so on. And this is not nice. Especially when you have an old device which did the 100 update. Sometimes there seems to be problems then. Thats really annoying. Also late and bad Implementations of new addons… Not necessary. And also luban… CNC is still rudimentary, laser will hopefully improved now with Ray and printing is Just a Bad Copy of Cura. Just give us really good profiles and Manuals for Fusion, Cura and lightburn (or something Open source) and keep luban basic. There is a reason that Most Software in that Domains is not really cheap…
One of my big issues is the missing modularity. Why i cannot build a Ray with my snapmaker 2.0 linear modules? Give me a few connectors in a cheap Box and a manual how to mount for a x/y only machine. Maybe with a minimal z Axis directly mounted on x. Ronin on YouTube did some grbl stuff for this. This is what i imagined when I bought the Kickstarter device (from US in Europe with like 400$ shipping costs). Tool head change ist nice, but i expected more…

Just my 3 Cents. Damn, I don’t wanted to reply on this thread. And now I did… sorry

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For me it’s all about the basics.There are a lot little bugs or problems in the work flow.
This starts at open source firmware which is not actively maintained on github, more repeating problems after (nearly each) update (latest user-bug, update luban AND machine to get able to laser engrave but please generate your gcode again because the firmware got changed, there was no such hint, correct?).

For me the machine is worth it, if you know how to operate (with) it. From this point, I agree with a few posters of this thread, the merchandised machine suggests a out of the box go for it machine.

One more example everyone had to tune their e-steps on the single extruder because it were by at least 10% off, why did snapmaker never address this and change it in new firmware releases, this could be a easy win and there were a lot (easy wins) discussed in this forum…

One last thing, I like this A350 Kickstarter machine and it works for me pretty well.

I appreciate your response @Jade, please keep going and improve the 2.0 further.

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The 3-in-1 selling point that @Jade mentioned is certainly true. I had absolutely no interest in Laserin’ before I bought the A350, and it allowed me to experiment with that - just as it will allow me to experiment with CNC if I can ever find the time to design some projects that require it.

Likewise, the “if you want a machine that is good at something, don’t get a 3-in-1 machine” maxim holds true. This is the lesson people learned from Shopsmith and Smithy. I knew that going in, though I was a bit swayed by all the reviews at the time claiming this was a good 3D printer, and I felt I could live with mediocre laser and CNC. So a little disappointed on that end (actually a LOTTA disappointed now that I’ve got the Bambu to compare against), but not about to kick the thing t the curb just yet.

The point I am at with this machine is in trying to find some task I can dedicate it to where it just runs and I don’t have to worry about it too much. All of my machines are like that except for the Snapmaker. I set them up, I spend a minute or two verifying the setup hasn’t been screwed up, then I use the machine.

With the A350 it feels like I have to spend a half hour or, more likely, an entire evening verifying that everything is in line, and when it isn’t, taking it out of the enclosure and clamping on dial indicators (non-ferrous toolhead casings! why?!?) to get everything just right. What this tells me is a) setup/calibration is more work than it should be, and b) the machine does not hold a calibration (physically, I mean, not talking about the firmware). I suspect the linear modules just do not perform as they were expected to - whether due to variable quality (meaning QC testing is needed at the factory for this), or simply because the environments in which they were tested (and perhaps those in which they are performing well) have a controlled climate and lab-like cleanliness.

This last point is one I keep bringing up but which I have no real data on. From photos and videos of people using Snapmakers, the environment often appears to be apartments or apartment-like rooms in homes (by which I mean windowed, drywalled, with heating and air conditioning, and generally with lots of space). My A350 is in a crowded shop area of my basement: no windows, a boiler in the same room, a woodstove in the next room, and exterior door close to a body of water at the other side of that room. The area is dark, damp, and rather crowded; it houses all of the tools and machines that cannot be exposed to either sawdust or metal chips/dust. Is that a factor? I dunno - but the other machines in that room (which now includes 2 additional 3d printers, a laser, and a 3018 engraver) all work just fine.

I picked up a rotary module on ebay so I wouldn’t have to pay the rather exorbitant retail price, and am hoping that once the fall work dies down I can get the A350 cranking out projects using the CNC mode. I might be less bitter about it after that; now that I have an excellent 3D printer, I don’t have to worry abuot the A350’s print failures and downtime.

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I bought mine in November of '21. I got the basic unit plus the fourth axis and e-stop. I had all kinds of problems but I learned. I now have a unit that outperforms my expectations. It gives me resources that allow an outlet for my creativity. I have added aftermarket improvements. The support from Snapmaker has been outstanding. Nowadays you can buy a car and turn the key and go. They been building them for over 100 years. 3D printers are new. Bound to be problems. But only the ones who really want one will persist through the difficulties. If you want a plug and play unit I suggest you wait another 50 years for the rest of us to work out all the problems for you.

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Maybe it is your Environment. One of my snapmakers is at same position like yours. But I never tried to print with that one.
My printing units are in Well climated environments. Are your other printers also in that dirty wet room?
I print most with my a150. And also when I do not print for weeks, it is really just: start machine, transfer gcode to it, start print with a skirt and set the z Index for ±0.3. And then it just prints without any concerns. :man_shrugging:t3:

I mostly agree, and have made the same argument before, but it’s just not true for this price range. When you compare the SM against other machines in the market, the SM is just blown out of the water in every way. It’s a space saver, that’s about all it has going for it as a 3-in-1. Yes, it’s a $1500-2k USD machine, so yeah, even if each function is worth about $500 (laser worth $1000 with 10W), look at what it’s up against. A BambuLabs P1P or Prusa i3 to 3D print for $650, and an XTool M1 (w/enclosure, vinyl cutter, and much more!) to laser for $1400. Better performance, more options, better reliability, and guess what? All of those machines are darn near plug-n-play, much more so than the SM anyway. Some setup is expected, but not this near constant adjustment and recalibrating that the SM has become notorious for. It’s not even a competition, the SM in the market is like middle schoolers trying to compete in the World Cup.

I learned a lot from my SM, no doubt, and I am thankful for that, but about half of what I learned is applicable only to issues specific to the SM, all of which could have been avoided by engineering and QC paying just marginally more attention to the details. So half that knowledge is essentially useless and an entirely unnecessary waste of time. If SM had put even half the attention into the mechanics and programming of the machine that they put into the aesthetics and packaging, it would be a great machine.

What specific stuff you learned is snapmaker exclusive? The usage of luban?
Plug and Play printers are not the default, it is some kind of new in 3d printing. And have a look into Bambu forum. There are also threads for warped beds, “necessary” mods, Firmware problems, QC issues, clogging, stringing… There are always disappointed guys and bad devices.

And to be fair: a cased bambu costs about 750€. A laser with enclosure is also near that price. And then you do not have a CNC. And yeah, for sure you should just buy a printer when you just want to print. Combo devices are never as good as the standalone machines. And snapmaker is advertising as every manufacturer, they try to sell a product. So for sure they are talking about their impressive printing module etc. Also the cheapest printer is advertised as a good product. Nobody will tell you the negative aspects, that’s the business of selling.
In Germany we say “Egg-laying Wooly Pig” for those things which should do everything best. But like in nature - these things do not exist.
And all in all the snapmaker is a nice 3in1, especially for the price. For me pricing of the addons is much more worthy for criticism. The price of the rotary - wtf! For a slow stepper motor in a case?
Yesterday i carved some templates into oak wood with a non modded a250 with quick swal. And I had no problems. I had never laser problems in hundert hours. You do Not have to Install mods, but with better rigidity I can carve faster and more aggressive, but you can also do with non modded (maybe not in 0.1mm accurancy, but i am woodworker and i don’t need that).
All of this is just working fine. But since I work in IT, i never install new versions of luban / firmware as long as it is not fested in market (and I did not need the new functionality). So I do not have the 4.9 laser problems and issues like that. But this is also happening in industrial context. For every update on critical software in my job, i have testing environment where I install and test new versions first. This is time consuming and expensive but it is absolutely necessary. And that’s software which costs hundert thousands of $ every year.
It’s Not the best comparison to snapmaker and it would be great to just get best hard- and firmware, but the present is not like that. Not in business and not in consumer market. Software get much more complex, companies are overwhelmed to test it (and to get a good permanent stuff to create it). So we just have to do our best and live with our products - or try another one when we are pi**ed off. So maybe the TO sells his snapmaker and buys one or multiple other machines, but nobody guarantee that they work better, and maybe a disappointed Bambu user will try a 3in1 snapmaker instead. Best thing when you are disappointed is: send the devices back in warranty. This costs the seller and manufacturer real money and maybe this will result in better products later on. Selling it on 2nd market and complain in a forum will not change anything.

Guys,

That post jade gave on that github

i suspected this was possible, but someone did it already.

This uses the little touchdown routine to compare the nozzles on the dual extruder to act as the touch probe for a calibration on glass.

This is neat.

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