Disappointed and looking to get out

At no point did I claim they weren’t. They were decisions made in good faith based on the assumption that SM would deliver a working product with reliable frequency. Since SM did not do that, and has probably failed to do that with some degree of regularity, I have every reason to regret those decisions and be displeased with the manufacturer of a poor quality product.

If you had to calibrate the gas pedal on your car because the mfger can’t be bothered to do it at the factory consistently you would be upset as well. Again, buy mine and I’ll go away. Otherwise, I’ve got nothing for you. :person_shrugging:

Have a good day and grow up

Thanks for the ad hominem sweetheart. :kissing_heart: Hope you have a good one too boo boo.

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Okay all, let’s chill, and not send this post toxic. There is legitimate frustration on the part of @Az2dante.

So let’s summarise. @Az2dante has a Snapmaker A350 looking for a new home for $1000 and comes with the disclaimer that it is in a far from desirable working condition.

@Az2dante, can you clarify if it is USD$ 1000? And what city in the world are you for those that may be interested.

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Yes and Lexington KY is close to me. I don’t want to dox myself, but can trade address info if need be. Thanks for meditating. :joy:

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I bought in because I wanted to try 3D printing, and the extra functions softened the blow of paying $$$$ for a “quality” 3D printer.

Reality check: as a 3D printer, this thing* is a dog. And not the kind that jumps in your lap and is happy to see you: this is a dog that nips at your ankles as you go by.

I get that some people have had perfect experiences with this machine. And hooray for them. Glad it worked out for ya. For quite a few of us, it has been the opposite experience, and as @Hauke pointed out that is a Problem. Some good customer service would make up for this, but it just isn’t there - it’s just pay, pay, pay. Pay for new linear modules. Pay for a quick-swap bed. These are things that should have been comped, or at least heavily discounted, to owners of troublesome machines to get them feeling good about the brand again. As if it had their back.

I have since purchased a dedicated 3D printer and a dedicated laser engraver, because I have found uses for those functions. I am tinkering with a 3018 engraver to see if I like it, and if I do then then maybe I’ll make the Taig mill a CNC machine. All of these together cost far more than the A350 when I bought it, but probably less when you add in the money I have sunk into it, and definitely less than an Artisan would run. The A350 was gathering dust all last year, then I made a bunch of mods and was cranking out prints for 2-3 months this year, then the print head seized up and I had kinda just had enough of this thing.

And that’s really what @Az2dante is saying as well: at some point, you just have enough of tinkering with and fixing the damn thing. Expecting machine uptime to exceed its downtime is not unreasonable, nor is execting the company to care when a large number of their units fail to meet this criteria.

*For the pedantic who will hasten to reply with “but mine 3D prints just great!” without reading the rest of the post, I define “this thing” as “The A350 I purchased”.

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I was considering a SN 2.0 but went with the Artisan and I’m very happy with it. In the first few weeks I’ve run it through numerous large 3d prints (60+ hours), laser and CNC jobs and the only issue I had was with Luban 4.9.0 laser control bugs. I’m new to 3d printing so the myraid of controls and tuning settings is intimidating, but so far I’m having success with a variety of PLA types using Luban ‘easy buttons’. Out of about 20 prints so far I have not had a single one fail. Glass bed at 65c with some glue stick works great.

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Pro-tip - Slagging your machine as a “turd” and otherwise worthless, while simultaneously trying to sell it for anything above scrap value is not likely to close a deal. I feel bad that you got a crap unit. You’ve convinced us it’s a lemon. GLWS

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But it is the right thing to do!
Would you sell a SM2 to a unsuspecting buyer knowing that he will have all kinds of problems?
You sell a printer but buy a problem .D

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I share your disappointment.
I have a Prusa and use its slicer BUT SM is so slow I never use it.
The is the low power one that came with the machine and it works but SM could have started with a better Laser.

Im struggling with the CNC It wouldnt accept ( see ) files on a memory stick.
It did run when my computer was connected to SM. The files where created with Fusion.

TOO MUCH TINKERING FOR ME.
AND SM customer support SUCKS BIG TIME.
Looking for help in the community threads is a stupid waste of time…

I wish Id never gotten sucked in by this scam.

I understand your frustration.

I get very exhausted battling with the machine. Its particularly frustrating because 3d printing in general isnt easy, and its hard to tell what is the machine and what is my skill

Sometimes I get this thing really tuned in perfect and sometimes I dont

I had walked away for a long time and tried to pick it up again and even added the new linear modules. they of course were problematic but i got them working now

hoping this helps me out from this point forward. trying to give it another whirl.

particularly interested in the 40w laser module.

@edf Thank you for the concise and passionate summary. This is exactly my point.

I can deal with a few factory defects. I’ve worked in IT for over a decade in multiple industries. I get it, sometimes your suppliers don’t do good QA on their parts and so your end product suffers.

When this happens, typically a manufacturer will replace the parts at a discounted cost or for free entirely if the machine is within warranty. My machine is less than a year old. This is well within a typical warranty period.

This doesn’t account for the failure to properly test their software though and that, at best, represents a major oversight in their quality assurance testing in that regard.

The people who act like this is somehow the fault of a consumer for expecting the company to make a quality product at a premium price are extremely difficult to comprehend. I thoroughly believe if they had the experience we did there would be a very different tune being sung.

Truthfully, I don’t want to sell the machine, I want a refund. SM won’t do that though, so my only option to recover some of my investment is to sell it, so if you’re someone who thinks this is my fault somehow and the machine is great…

As others pointed out it would be unethical for me to sell my machine without telling the buyer of the defects and issues I had. I also would like to recover some of my investment on a product that has pretty clearly been misrepresented as a quality product as evidenced by the numerous threads on the seemingly infinite issues it has. So I can accept these issues make the idea of paying money for a piece of trash distasteful

However this is precisely my point

Many of these machines have turned out to be absolute garbage with a high roller price tag justified and hidden behind a 3-1 feature set where one function doesn’t work and the other two are underpowered.

SM has run a vicious burn on their customers and their solution to their inability to perform quality checks or product testing is to have the customer give them more money.

I appreciate all who have come forward in support of my story and shared their own. To those who continue to try to blame me for purchasing a product expecting it to perform as advertised, well I wish you the best and I’m happy you love your purchase.

To reiterate, this thing was over $2000 when it was on sale when I bought it. I also got the dual extrusion head and the 10W laser with it which substantially increased the price. It sits next to a machine less than half it’s price, and I have had to resolve precisely none of the issues I had with SM on the cheaper machine. While the other two functions have gone almost completely unused. Effectively making it a single function device that doesn’t reliably function.

I didn’t need to calibrate the freaking extruder on the S1. I assembled it, plugged it in, installed the filament and printed stuff faster than the SM with better quality using factory default settings all along the way. Under no circumstances should this have been the case, and there are dozens, if not hundreds of people who have had the same experience I had. I simply believe any organization should be held accountable for what appears to be either baffling incompetence or outright negligence in assuring their product actually functions when it sells that product at a price point in which it is expected to be done properly.

It isn’t a $150 dollar home made printer. It’s a machine billed as the ultimate desktop maker machine with precision engineering. SM needs to act like it and correct this issue for the numerous customers who they burned.

I didn’t intend for this to devolve into this discussion, but I think it is pretty clear that there has been an egregious mistake on SMs part and it is one that only festers the more they ignore it.

Those mentioning purchasing additional SM equipment, I would HIGHLY discourage that notion for no reason other than it is precisely what they seem to want in order to cover their own mistakes. Not to mention the probability of it fixing or improving your experience being apparently relatively low. Especially when compared to competitive products in those areas.

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I do share your frustration.
I got the A350 from the kickstart campaign. The slick design with the laser cutting and engraving capability sounded like a very nice upgrade from my Lulzbot 4 I started with.
But SM transformed the hobbit into a frustration.
They were plagued with issues: bad part cooling for the toolhead, noisy, underpowered laser, camera capture misalignment, Luban connection instability.
I would say I played the game, I upgraded to their 2.0 of the toolhead, upgraded to a A350T with the new rails, even tested 2 addition lasers (didn’t buy the new one). Of course, all of those design flaw where on me to pay for. I ended up abandoning the laser option, modded the tollhead with additional cooling, using Octopi + Cura.
And on their side SM, decided to release the Artisan, which for me, proves their intent is to make money, no support their existing customers.

I gave up on this company, I want to try the CNC but I’m afraid to use Luban and discover other issues and losing another weekend to just make it work once.

My suggestion to everyone is to not give this company anymore money. Their willingness to ignore issues and keep releasing is astonishing.

My suggestion to SM, is to do a proper quality control, usability first.

  • The rail noise is noticeable when you use it the first time
  • Misaligned image capture for laser engraving could have been found as soon as you use the feature the first time
  • Validating connection between the A350 and Luban is the worth UX one would have notice when using the product
  • part cooling issue was discovered as soon as I printed the first benchy
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How much do you want for it? I am mostly interested in the dual print head.

US$1000, excluding shipping

I definitely feel your pain as well. My SM A350 has been one issue after another, especially in the 3D print realm. As a matter of fact, SM and their disgusting lack of quality in nearly every sense of the company and products is the reason I started looking at DIY open-source machines, and eventually built a Voron V0.2 back in April. I’ve touched my SM only once since then, and that was just to use the laser for a single project back in June; it has seen no use other than that. I am now using my Voron 0.2 to build a Voron 2.4 with a build volume equal to the SM, and as soon as it is complete I will be getting rid of my SM. Even after numerous QOL upgrades, mods, and extensive testing (as you can read about in my other forum posts) it still just isn’t worth the time, effort, money, and space to keep dumping into it.

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Thanks for the reply. Good luck.

Well, the proximity sensor in my Snapmaker 2 A350 just melted. It was trying to print a piece with coarse settings (0.24 mm layer thickness) using PLA and all the default settings. The bloody sensor melted after 30 mins.

I guess they never listen to their customers, typical from certain countries. They more of a pick pocket kind of business.

One problem I experienced frequently is that the print head knocks off the touch screen and it ruins the job completely.