100% Infill, yet hollow?

Not quite sure I understand this one…

This object is a hook from thingiverse, https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3831432

Someone at work asked me to print one for their shed.

So, i have it set to 100% infill… yet its not infilled. there are large caps around the infill and the wall, and theres a section that tapers up towards the top and the taper is also hollow.

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Is there something about this model internally that is allowing these voids to make or is there some really strange setting I accidently enabled?

This is actually the 2nd piece, different slice even.

Matter of factly, the preview even shows this.

Works fine for me in Cura, I’m guessing your Cura settings are messed up.
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Always preview the gcode before you print to reduce wasted filament.

Post your Cura profile you’re using to slice it.

Also for solid object I recommend using the wall settings(set for 100 wall layers) rather then 100% infill doing so generally makes the part stronger for the same amount of plastic.

Really? Interesting. I’ve used 6 walls with 100% because it “felt good”. I recall CNCKitchen doing tests and anything that was 100% infill was leaps and bounds stronger than anything else, although he didn’t specify if he used walls or infill settings on his test parts.

I will say it depends a little bit on the geometry of the part and your settings (like everything 3d printed) but yes it tends to get better lamination than infill. Pluss the extruded filament is stronger in the direction of the strands. So the concentric nature helps. Lastly it tends to look a bit better because you don’t get overlap between the walls and infill… I haven’t tested 100% infill with a concentric pattern vs 100% with extra walls. They may be very similar.

And yes, solid pla is almost unbelievably strong. I can only imagine the strength of solid fiberglass reinforced or carbon fiber reinforced pla. I have heard claims that they can be as strong as aviation grade aluminum.

alright, well what do you think of doing concentric outer shells in S3D with rectilinear or wiggle infill:

Concentric outer shell:


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Wiggle:

Or rectilinear:

Concentric would be the nice smooth surface you’re talking about, and maybe wiggle or something would have better adhesion internally?

The wiggle is half a joke, I know it’s done usually for aesthetic reasons. But I tried and honeycomb won’t nicely do 100% infill :confused:

Alternating 2 or 3 layers of rectilinear at +/-45, or even 30, 60, 90, should give good strength in multiple dimensions.

Printing the strongest parts possible with a given material is something I’m quite keen on and don’t know much about, appreciating the discussion.

Had good luck at 205C with 0 fan, came out quite strong, the few parts I’ve done. Very good layer adhesion.

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I think the concentric may work as well as solid walls but I haven’t tested or seen any tests on it vs walls. I think the wiggle adds strength when below 100% infill (probably plays off the same physics as an I beam vs a solid beam) You could get away with 80% rather than 100%. But the advantages would not be in every direction (just like an I beam). Rectilinear is what I use for most of my structural parts above 55% infill but below 100% and works well. I would be interested if they had a concentric wiggle.

I’m also a big fan of what is called in cura “alternate extra wall” it adds 1 additional wall every other layer to trap infill inbetween wall layers. I find it can add a substantial amount of rigidity and strength to a print.

I think if they had a version of it with an adjustable number of extra walls it could be a very effective way of saving filament while creating very strong prints.

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That’s a good suggestion. Another feature I like in Cura that S3D doesn’t have is their tri hex variation.

The S3D fast and Full honecomb are cool and strong:
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And of course triangular:
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But I think I like this Cura pattern better for strength / speed:
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You get hexagons, but more efficiently and stronger than the Triangular pattern in S3D


What are your thoughts on alternating rectilinear layers?
rotate 90 degrees each layer? Rotate 120? 30?
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I think for speed and strength one of the best is the “cubic subdivision” its similar to the hexigon/riangle pattern but it shifts the layers to enclose each shape (forming compleate 3d shapes inside the object)

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Oh right, I’ve seen that one but never used it. I do recall, now that you mention it, tri hex is pretty ideal for 2D loads in X/Y, but Cubic Sub is better for 3D.

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Wow thats nifty cura doesn’t have the option to pick the rotation angle. It rotates 90 degrees by default. I would think you gain the most strength in the direction of the long runs, so adjusting it to get better strength in all directions would be possible. The exact degree of change would depend greatly on the geometry of the part.

Yea, it is handy for that. Just borrowed this from their release notes.
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I tweak the angles often on parts I want to be strong so the infill runs along the axis.

I’m pretty sure Cura can do that though?
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I thing cubic subdivision gives the best 3d strength to weight I have seen, but can cause some pretty big gaps, so it’s best used at higher infill rates

You might be right, never looked at that setting. Let’s see

You are correct about that setting, I will have to give it a try sometime :smiley:

I printed this with ABS cuz I was no tsure what he was going to hang on it, but if solid PLA is super durable that would make this alot easier for me if he wants more.

OK, i went ahead and got simplify 3d, i also located Brent’s profile and added that to my thingie.

Certainly a different software over cura, clearly it has some power behind it, although it doesnt give you much information on screen like cura does.

I am curious to see how this print comes out, because i just had 3 instances of it not sticking and i am tired of it lol

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Looks to me like you have infill support selected. This way it will only place infill where there are overhangs/roofs in the model.

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