Strings & boogers

So, a great print, finally! Until … I move him/her/it. The joints are so weak that even the weight of the extremities caused the head, tail end, and arms/legs to fall off. Is this another setting that needs attention, or a bad file?? I know, I should probably print something that’s all one piece, not articulated but that’s no fun at all for 5-, 7-, & 8-year-olds. Does anybody have an idea why this happens? I’ve broken others too the same way, just cleaning and trying to be super careful, but if i break them, the kids are gonna annihilate them in no time.

Rebecca :sunflower:

If you are at - 0.5mm z-offset and still too far off, you need to calibrate your leveling sensor (on dual extruder) or calibrate the last spot more tight (on single extruder).

Glad you got it working :clap::+1:.

The strength of the prints relates to the model you print. These flexible ones for example cannot scaled down since the connnectors getting to filigree. Can you send us an Image of such a breakage? Maybe you have a bad layer adhension.

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That does look better around the star at the brim. Are the lines in the middle of the star just drooling / stringing from leakage during moves or was that supposed to be infill?

If you’ve had to adjust all the way to -0.5mm using offset, you’re not calibrating as tightly as you should, for sure.

So there’s 2 steps as I think @xchrisd already implied. First is you should be able to find a help / FAQ on positioning the sensor to the right height on the print head. (Sorry, I’m being lazy not looking for the link myself to put here…it is Xmas eve after all.) Remember the calibration procedure at first is using the induction sensor to make a ‘map grid’ of bed distortion but not by the sensor or nozzle ‘touching’ an actual zero height … it’s supposed to trigger at an offset. The last step of that calibration procedure is where you use the nozzle to determine the final delta to apply to that distortion map.

Second when you do the calibration - 4 x 4 or 5 x 5 steps or whatever, I strongly recommend warming the bed first. Have your print plate on it, use the manual controls to heat the bed up to your usual bed temp or a few degrees above (say 60-65C) and let it hang a few min. I used to think heating the print head too mattered but not so much anymore, and in any event leaving the print head at print temps a long time without printing is slowly burning what’s in it and leads to clogs. So – heat the bed, which lets it build in whatever natural curvature / distortion it might want to, THEN initiate the bed mapping.

At the end of the bed mapping when the print head moves to center and waits for you, you want to use your calibration card paper under the nozzle. If it starts at the 0.5mm increment I’d recommend only bumping down ONCE at most to save button presses – then move to 0.1mm. Bump down, test paper slip, bump again until the paper is feeling the friction but still sliding. The move to the 0.05mm setting. Bump carefully once and test again. You want the paper to be able to be pulled with significant resistance, but not be able to ‘slide back’ without just humping up instead. That’s your starting default. Hit the button to confirm your finished cal. The key with all this is you don’t want to ‘overdo’ it and bury the nozzle / make it too tight then ‘back off’ … it’ll actually not cal as well if you have to do that. (If you do find you hit ‘too tight’ and paper is absolutely pinned, best off to just back off, confirm to end, and start over from a new home and reheating the bed.)

Also – the cleanliness of your nozzle obviously matters for this step, especially if cold. You can imagine how a bleb on the nozzle could add to more paper compression early vs. the metal itself.

For silkies you may STILL need to offset another 0.05mm down (or two!) to get a good squish and stick, while normal PLA might be ok there already. I used to be utterly paranoid about calibration for every single time I removed/replaced a print plate. Now…I only really re-calibrate if I have swapped tool heads to laser for a while, then swapped back so it makes me. (I don’t even recalibrate for different print plates anymore [of same, Snapmaker origin] … Just watch that first line go down on the skirt and then update the Z-offset a step up or down if I think it needs it…although I did just buy an off-brand spring plate with some different textured PEI / PEO and will probably recalibrate when I try it out because it’s a totally different manufacture.)

I’m also wondering if you ever did the extruder stepping calibration up front, and/or if a later firmware update replaced that calibration on you? There’s a giant thread on that (and a newer ‘digest’ thread that pulled out the high points.

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An important thing to keep in mind is measurement error.

The spool temperature setting might, in a controlled laboratory environment with a really accurate temperature sensor – be the right temp to run at.
Do you know that your nozzle is really at that temperature when it’s set at that? It’s being ‘power cycled’ [PWM or other sort of PID control] to hit a value and hold … but there’s just a thermal sensor stuck in there next to it in proximity. So when the machine “thinks” it’s holding 205C it might be a bit different (more probably higher).

Besides, half my spools from semi-reputable Amazon type brands just put a massive range like “print temp 200 - 230 C” on them. I’ve rarely felt like just at 200C was enough, and can’t imagine trying 230C! I feel like I’d be seeing flames trying PLA that high. :smiley:

As far as the print SPEED … I don’t know how the reel can know anything about that. Machines are different with different motion control and different extrusion gear strength and filament ‘back-tension’ and heat/melt capabilities.

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Oh my gosh, guys! Merry Christmas first off. Thank you for the gift of so much detail! I just finished this guy, and I’ll walk through all the steps of hot plate calibration. I never read anywhere that had the proper procedure for calibration. I guess I’m ignorant of where to find it. I’m so happy to have you, I can’t even say. A little stringing here, so that means the calibration is still a little off, yeah?

Rebecca :sunflower:

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So much detail, so much appreciated! Im calibrating it just as you said right now. I hope you’re Christmas is a very merry one! Thanks for being here in my studio with me helping every step of the way :innocent:

Looks like I got a better squish this time!

Rebecca

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Yes, that print should hold MUCH better!

Merry Christmas to you, too.

I’m using Crealty wood PLA on this build, at 210° . Maybe I need to recalibrate the plate, I’m not sure what settings to adjust, I did try to adjust it -.05 and it seemed to make the stringing a smidgen better, but I’m not sure if that is the issue. Any ideas?

Rebecca :sunflower:

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Also, it’s my first time using this filament so I didn’t know if is need adjustments. I still can’t get a super clean print with the silks, but it’s definitely getting better.

Rebecca :sunflower:

To reduce stringing, I’d suggest to play around with the retraction settings - retraction distance, speed and extra prime amount. Also, Z-hop might help. Finally, 210° sounds relatively hot, but I never printed wood PLA - maybe it needs that.

I am currently not in front of my computer, so I need to pull my settings from memory - I think I usually use 2mm retraction distance, 30 mm/s retraction speed and an extra prime amount of 0.05 mm³. Also, I limit the retractions to 25 within a 3mm window - this is to avoid that the filament is gnawed away too much by the extruder gear.

This page might also be helpful.

Last remark: If you have stringing, you can pass the flame of a blow torch quickly over the print - the strings melt away in no time. Don’t do this if your print has tiny, thin outstanding details - they also will melt away in no time :slight_smile:

My Wood Pla is also stringing badly. But it is very easy to remove the strings. So i would Invest more time to find the perfect settings than i will need to just remove the strings with a file.

Correct me if I’m wrong, I never printed wood pla, I think to remember someone suggested to dry this material every single time of use.

Yeah, you should. But it will still String :see_no_evil:

OK, very slow replying here so probably OBE (overcome by events).

Your plate Z offset has NOTHING to do with stringing, to be clear! Plate Z offset and how much initial layer “squish” you get is all about BED ADHESION. Starting the print off right, and firm to the plate. PLA doesn’t tend to want to weld itself to the PEI textured plates and can support a reasonable amount of squish, should stick on a clean plate with NO tape or glue-stick, I’ve read that PET will want to adhere TOO well and really needs gluestick as a release agent buffer (have not tried myself) while ABS has a harder time sticking to these plates and might need higher plate temp, a tighter first layer, and even gluestick but in this case as an adhesion agent (I have printed ABS on the Snapmaker but with limited success probably because I decided I just didn’t need to fiddle with it, I really like the quality I’m getting with PLA and it meets my needs for the most part). Of course each of these wants its own more correct dispense temperature too.

STRINGING is a property of the material (including age and absorbed humidity), and nozzle behavior, as the print head is traversing in non-dispensing movement. So RETRACTION (speed, and distance) and of course your chosen material printing temperature are the factors here.

As with the earlier discussion about silk vs. normal PLA, every material is going to have slightly different properties. Manually position the nozzle above the plate, use the control page to heat it up, and hit the “load” button to dispense. You’ll see normal PLA come out in a nice smooth string that solidifies over time, silk comes out and almost ‘rebounds’ and forms a big blobby teardrop as more continues to dispense. I’ve not played with wood but I presume it might behave in some third way since it has a particulate in it. (I have printed glow PLA, which is nearly indistinguishable in free-flow behavior from normal PLA). BTW wood, glow, and even some of the ‘sparkle’ PLAs are more abrasive to the nozzle, so keep that in mind. Nozzle aperture slowly changing over time will be another factor that can influence ongoing print quality! (Conversely, switching materials without running it pretty clean for a bit and then running at a higher or lower temp can result in either stuck material that wants to be hotter, or burning material which can leave byproducts choking up the flow… remember, nozzles are wear items, like brake pads on a car.)

Hope this helps with understanding which settings influence what.

You might want to do a search on “stringing towers” as one calibration print you can do, that will let you test different retraction settings to reduce stringing (although as pointed out, a quick pass with a torch is great for just erasing most of them if the part isn’t too delicate). “Temperature tower” calibration prints help you decide the RIGHT temperature for a given spool material – too high and drooling/stringing is all over the place, too low and it might be underdispensing (the extruder is fighting back pressure in the nozzle) and you have poor layer to layer adhesion because it hardens so fast it never really ‘grips’ the layer beneath it before it goes solid.

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Thank you, guys for all your advice! 204° seems to be a good temp, and I have 63° on the plate. I’ve had the filament in the dry box for three days, is that too long? It’s not on continuously but I’ve been using said filament for three days on different projects (Crealty wood pla). Today, I’m printing the same ferret again, and I used the retraction you suggested, and lowered the temp and so far it isn’t stringing! Part of the build has come up from the plate, just on an end, is that what is referred to as “warping”, because it didn’t slide, it just lifted.

Here is the first ferret, I painted it, and the second ferret that’s currently printing. The file is from MatMireMakes.

The plate looks messy because I used some MagiGoo for adhesive. Thank you again for your help!!
Rebecca :sunflower:

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Really nice model :+1:.

If it comes off from the build plate like you described it’s warping.
Keep the enclosure closed and be aware to not open windows, any draft could ruin your print.

Thank you!

Rebecca :sunflower: