# Dual Extruder problems? **URL:** \ **Category:** Snapmaker 2.0 (3-in-1)\ **Created:** [March 1, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938 "2023-03-01T23:55:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Steve76063](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.snapmaker.com/steve76063/32/16194_2.png) [@Steve76063](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/Steve76063)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/1 "2023-03-01T23:55:46Z")
I’ve tried my new Dual-Extruder on my A250a a few times, and so far have been quite frustrated (I’m by no means an experienced user, but was comfortable printing with my original single extruder). I printed the example gimbal first, and while it did print, I could see gaps and ‘loose’ areas in the model. I’d tried adjusting the speed, temperature and/or width but everything I tried just resulted in a failed bird’s next! So, I went back to the original and still couldn’t get a print to complete! To me it looks like it’s under extruding: ![IMG_4242](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/snapmaker/original/3X/8/4/84fdf5cba53e6549e0be98635f81781f0fcc7108.jpeg) ![IMG_4243](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/snapmaker/original/3X/c/0/c04a81a97193e133b9d6b8702bcca74f254c4d53.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Spaced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5fc32e/32.png) [@Spaced](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/Spaced)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 12:28am UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/2 "2023-03-02T00:28:32Z")
The included white breakaway pla needs a higher temp. Look on the spool and make sure luban is calling it out correctly. Its not “just” white pla. Mine that I got working well is at **220 c** for the white breakaway support. ---
**Author:** ![Mayco](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.snapmaker.com/mayco/32/22808_2.png) [@Mayco](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/Mayco)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 8:07am UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/3 "2023-03-02T08:07:11Z")
From your images, it looks like your nozzle is too high above the bed (no “squish” on the extruded filament). I suggest adjusting the Z-offset a bit. ---
**Author:** ![rgprints](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac91a4/32.png) [@rgprints](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/rgprints)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/4 "2023-03-12T14:55:19Z")
The gcode for the Gimbal sets the heated bed temperature to zero! I didn’t notice this at first, so on my first print there was no adhesion and just a bunch of spaghettis, hair or frizz (whatever you want to call it). Is your heated bed also not heating? To get around this, I found that setting the heated bed temp before starting the print didn’t work because when the gcode starts running it resets the temp to zero. What did initially seem work was to start the print then pause it and now manually set the heated bed to 65 or 70. Then resume the print. But a few minutes into the print, I had the same issue experienced by Steve (the OP). So, maybe I too have a Z offset issue However, I note that printing the calibration models or the calibration check model did not have adhesion issues. If a Snapmaker employee is reading this, please note the heated bed bug and maybe also a Z offset bug in the built-in Gimbal example. ---
**Author:** ![Steve76063](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.snapmaker.com/steve76063/32/16194_2.png) [@Steve76063](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/Steve76063)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/5 "2023-03-12T22:00:30Z")
I noticed that the ‘other’ printhead’s temperature was set at 0 at the start too, and manually reset it to 200C. Then I noticed that after printing from 1 head, when it switched to the other, the first head cooled down (to 160 or so) until it was it’s turn to print again-then it heated back up to 200 before starting extruding. The 2nd nozzle did the same, so I think that was part of the design (to prevent oozing). ---
**Author:** ![Steve76063](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.snapmaker.com/steve76063/32/16194_2.png) [@Steve76063](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/Steve76063)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/6 "2023-03-12T22:01:35Z")
Bingo 🙂 That worked for me! I lowered the z-offset 0.25mm (a bit too far, but at least now I know what to adjust) and my next gimbal test print came out just fine 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hauke](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.snapmaker.com/hauke/32/5704_2.png) [@Hauke](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/Hauke)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 11:56am UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/7 "2023-03-13T11:56:09Z")
It seems that 1.15.19 had a bug in it that after Z-Calibration the print height was about 0.3 mm too high - I have not yet tested with 1.15.20 - hope they eliminated that… ---
**Author:** ![rgprints](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac91a4/32.png) [@rgprints](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/rgprints)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/8 "2023-03-13T20:53:15Z")
The bed temp issue is also elsewhere on this forum: [Luban sets Bed Temp to 0?](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/luban-sets-bed-temp-to-0/29931) But the problem gets weirder. Today, I tried again and now the bed temp is 65. My adhesion problem has also gone away, seemingly on its own. Snapmaker is unclear as to whether to use the breakaway PLA in the right extruder or to just use a contrasting color. Yesterday when I first encountered the problem, I was using ordinary PLA. Today I tried with the breakaway, but still had adhesion issues, although significantly less than yesterday. Then I decided to try ordinary PLA in the right extruder and now I don’t have any significant adhesion problems at all. ---
**Author:** ![JonnieCache](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.snapmaker.com/jonniecache/32/13990_2.png) [@JonnieCache](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/JonnieCache)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/9 "2023-03-15T16:27:29Z")
They have not. I’ve had to manually adjust the Z offset. ---
**Author:** ![rgprints](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac91a4/32.png) [@rgprints](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/rgprints)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/10 "2023-03-19T15:32:39Z")
To solve this problem, and it definitely looks like a bug, toggle the Left Extruder from Fast Print to Precise and Strong and then back to Fast Print. Now the bed temperature properly gets set to 65. I compared the two gcode files and note that when you don’t toggle the extruder as above, then there is no bed temperature command in the file. The left file is the one you get when you don’t toggle and there are no M140 or M190 commands in the file. Those commands appear if the file is generated after the left extruder is toggled. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/snapmaker/original/3X/f/1/f18a1fef3345abdc09d141c4532aded15a472406.png) ---
**Author:** ![hijackgmh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c2a13f/32.png) [@hijackgmh](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/hijackgmh)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/11 "2023-03-19T17:12:46Z")
Has anyone developed a Cure profile for the Dual Extruder? ---
**Author:** ![xchrisd](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.snapmaker.com/xchrisd/32/1503_2.png) [@xchrisd](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/xchrisd)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 7:46pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/12 "2023-03-19T19:46:09Z")
Yes you are right, i had to offset - 0,35mm both extruders too, also with 1.15.21 (not sure if 20 or 21)… ---
**Author:** ![Hauke](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.snapmaker.com/hauke/32/5704_2.png) [@Hauke](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/Hauke)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/13 "2023-03-19T20:44:38Z")
By now there are several posts in this forum that show Cura profiles. Mine is here: [Cura & Dual Extrusion head first try](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/cura-dual-extrusion-head-first-try/29668) - but I’d not deem it perfect. According to a Facebook post the newest Cura has a profile for it, but I cannot find that post anymore, and I installed Cura 5.3.0 today and could not find it - if it really is there, it must be in the beta. ---
**Author:** ![hijackgmh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c2a13f/32.png) [@hijackgmh](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/hijackgmh)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/14 "2023-03-20T20:39:39Z")
Thanks Hauke! ---
**Author:** ![Slfeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Slfeth](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/Slfeth)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 12:07pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/15 "2023-05-09T12:07:14Z")
I have no idea why this hack works, or you you figured it out, but THANKS! Everything works perfect with just this extra set of steps! ---
**Author:** ![RavagerPrime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee7513/32.png) [@RavagerPrime](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/RavagerPrime)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/16 "2023-05-09T15:58:55Z")
I also purchased the dual extruder for my A250T. I could not get it to work. Could barely get left left ext. to perform well on its own. The right never did. Recently boughtan F350 on FB Marketplace. Threw the DE on the 350 for S&Gs and havent had a problem with either extruder in 3 weeks ---
**Author:** ![rxcited](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.snapmaker.com/rxcited/32/3868_2.png) [@rxcited](https://forum.snapmaker.com/u/rxcited)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://forum.snapmaker.com/t/dual-extruder-problems/29938/17 "2023-09-05T20:59:48Z")
Having all kinds of issues here myself with the dual extruder. Initially I had the insufficient squish and eventually determined there was a custom Z offset for each extruder. I find it frustrating that you have to actually start a print to adjust Z Offset - Lame, even though it does seem to remember what you put in there for future prints. I had to use -.3 mm on extruder 2, so maybe that “bug” is in my firmware. I also had the adhesion problems and realized part of it is the extrusion temp. Pumping up to 220 helps, but then I had heat soak clogging. Basically the filament gets soft somewhere between the extruder gears and the hot end heat break. It starts bunching up, stops moving, then the gears strip out the filament. I also had the buckles pop free on both heads as well, at one time or another. I found the wedges to print to counter the buckle problem (hadn’t received the kit yet) and I also used thermal paste in the hot end to improve cooling by the heat sink. Now I’ve got the replacment kit with the new door. I haven’t installed their silicon buckle wedges yet. But even with the thermal paste in there, I am still getting heat soak with the Breakaway PLA running at 220. Maybe this Breakaway PLA is just problematic? Though printing with alternate colors might work (not sure), I considered the whole point of dual extruders to be for the purpose of breakaway or dissolvable support. So this is all very disappointing and unreliable performance for an expensive upgrade.